Ryan Vet on ABC10: What AB5 Would Do to Fares, and to Drivers

As Uber announced it would take AB5 to the ballot, Sacramento's ABC10 asked gig-economy expert Ryan Vet who would end up paying for the new protections. His answer was everyone.

Quoted as an expert source Article on ABC10 (KXTV Sacramento)

Read the archived article on ABC10 (KXTV Sacramento) →

The short version

On ABC10 Sacramento (September 11, 2019), gig-economy expert Ryan Vet said AB5's worker protections could come at a cost to everyone, citing analyst forecasts of fare increases as high as 30% and warning that app companies could raise prices and require set hours. Uber's ballot measure became Proposition 22, which passed in 2020, and gig companies then raised California prices to fund driver benefits.

Ryan Vet · Article in ABC10 (KXTV Sacramento)

As California's legislature sent AB5 to the governor, Uber's top lawyer said the company would not reclassify its drivers, and Uber and Lyft said they were prepared to take the question to voters with a ballot measure of their own. Sacramento's ABC10 covered the announcement and went to gig-economy expert Ryan Vet for the cost side of the story.

ABC10's original page is no longer online. This recap links to the Internet Archive's copy.

Ryan's Big Takeaways

  1. 01

    Protections cost money, and someone pays.

    ABC10 summarized Ryan's view plainly: the protections "could come at a cost to everyone." He pointed to the forecasts circulating at the time: "One of the things that analysts predict is that there could be as much as a 30-percent increase in consumer fares." That number was the analysts' estimate, not his, and the eventual increases are hard to isolate. The direction held, though. Once Proposition 22 passed, Uber said California rides would cost $0.30 to $1.50 more and deliveries $1 to $2 more.

  2. 02

    Flexibility was on the table.

    Ryan also told ABC10 the bill could push app companies to require workers to keep set hours. That is the flexibility argument in its simplest form, and it is the one the companies took to voters.

  3. 03

    The upside was real too.

    He didn't argue the law was all cost. ABC10 reported his view that the plus would be that all workers would be offered the protections of employees. Holding both sides at once is the pattern across his AB5 interviews that year.

Standout Quotes

One of the things that analysts predict is that there could be as much as a 30-percent increase in consumer fares.
Ryan Vet

Frequently Asked Questions

What did Ryan Vet tell ABC10 about AB5?

Ryan Vet told ABC10 Sacramento in September 2019 that AB5's protections could come at a cost to everyone. He cited analyst predictions of fare increases as high as 30%, said app companies could raise prices and require set hours, and noted that workers would gain the protections of employees.

What happened to Uber's ballot measure?

It became Proposition 22, which kept app-based drivers as independent contractors with an earnings guarantee and benefit stipends. It passed in November 2020 with 58% of the vote after a record $220 million campaign, and the California Supreme Court upheld it in July 2024.

Books, People & Sources Mentioned

Keep Exploring

Links from this conversation

Bring this conversation to your stage

Ryan keynotes on leading across five generations, turning generational friction into a competitive advantage for your team.