Ryan Vet on Dents in the Darkness: Understanding the Generations to Build Stronger Churches

A conversation with hosts Tim Madeira and Mike Schooley about leading five generations in the church, the risks technology poses to the next generation, and why Gen Z is hungry for something real.

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Most conversations about generations in the church start with a complaint about what is wrong with young people. On Dents in the Darkness, the Northeast Collaborative's podcast for pastors and church planters, Ryan Vet starts somewhere else.

He argues that the church is facing the hardest season the modern Western church has known, with more living generations under one roof than ever before, and that the answer is not better production or sharper programming. It is trust, presence, and truth. Gen Z, he tells hosts Tim Madeira and Mike Schooley, is the most unchurched generation on record and also one of the most spiritually hungry, and what it is starving for is exactly what the church was built to give.

Ryan's Big Takeaways

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    Lead people, not labels. Read the age and the moment first.

    Ryan's core tool is the Generational Prism: age on one side, the moment in history on the other, and the label is only what gets projected out. He walks the hosts through job hopping to prove it. When you anchor every generation to the same age instead of the same calendar year, the myth collapses: by age 25, millennials were no more likely to change jobs than Gen X or boomers had been at the same age (Pew Research Center, 2017). The gap only appears once you forget when each generation was first allowed to work. Underneath the framework he reframes the whole exercise for church leaders: these are "human beings interacting with other human beings created in the image of God," and the real question is whether we are building trust rather than sorting people by label.

    Framework: The Generational Prism

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    Technology is outpacing morality, and this generation is the test case.

    Ryan calls it the Velocity Gap: the distance between how fast technology spreads and how slowly our morality, wisdom, and guardrails catch up. Seatbelts and cigarettes took decades before the warnings and the laws caught up with the harm. Social media and smartphones moved faster, and he points to the sharp rise in anxiety, depression, and self-harm among teen girls since 2012 that Jonathan Haidt documents in The Anxious Generation, alongside a growing number of states now moving to restrict minors' access. Now AI lets a child create things just by speaking to a prompt. His charge to pastors is not to master every tool but to know what the next generation is actually walking through, because their spiritual battle is starting younger than any generation before them.

    Framework: The Velocity Gap

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    Gen Z is unchurched but spiritually hungry, and what it wants is authenticity, community, and mentorship.

    This is the takeaway built for this audience. Religion, Ryan says, "feels fake" to Gen Z, but their spirituality is rising faster than almost any generation on record. Where they show up, especially young men, they are showing up more, not less. They are not drawn by lights and production. They want to be known, they want real community over a personalized algorithm, and, Ryan says, in survey after survey around three-quarters of Gen Z say they want a mentor, and nobody has asked. His prescription for slowing the generational pendulum before it overcorrects is disarmingly simple: teach the word, because this is a generation hungry for what is true.

    Framework: The Generational Pendulum

The Story Ryan Told

When Ryan's family was called from Chicago to plant a church in North Carolina during his high school years, he was, by his own account, angry at God. So he made God three promises, "because making promises to God is always a great way to go in life." He would never stay in the South or go to school in the South. He would never eat Chick-fil-A, because Chick-fil-A was of the South. And he would never marry anyone from the South.

He went on to graduate from Elon University in North Carolina, marry a woman from Asheboro, North Carolina, and fall, by his own admission, deeply in love with Chick-fil-A. He tells it as a joke on himself, but the point lands: the plans he white-knuckled were the exact places God used to save him.

Standout Quotes

Millennials were the first generation to be born with a label on them.
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I don't know how people honestly can endure some of the things that business people walk through without Christ.
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We're designed to be known as human beings.
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People are a lot stickier right now than AI, although AI is a lot more dangerous.
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Gen Z is still the most unchurched generation out there. However, their increase in spirituality is almost higher than any generation we have on record.
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Frameworks & Ideas Referenced

  • The Generational Prism : Age, moment, and label; the job-hopping walk-through.
  • The Velocity Gap : Technology spreading faster than our morality, wisdom, and guardrails can adapt (seatbelts and cigarettes, then social media, now AI).
  • The Generational Pendulum : Each generation experiences, challenges, overcorrects, then recalibrates.
  • The Barbell Generation (Gen X) : Gen X squeezed between aging parents living longer and kids delayed into adulthood.
  • The Credibility Shift implied : Trust markers moving from institutions to skepticism to transparency to Gen Z's demand for authenticity.

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